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carpet_9000 said: Ciid said: Fast Bug said: Was the disastrous tie up with Fiat the 9000? Pretty sure that did well for the brand and helped them take an even larger slice of the American market.I'd also say that SAAB's own engines were a damn sight more reliable than the GM offerings. They were well known for covering huge mileages, where as the 2.0 GM engine was a bit if a turd to say the leastThe least reliable Saab ever, and one of the main reasons for its financial difficulties that led to its purchase by GM.Ignoring all the other se you've been spouting, this one takes the cake. The 9

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Hackney2 said: Ciid said: Holden could never survive developing its own models. You have no idea how much it costs a brand to develop its own products. Oceania is a very tiny market and Holden didn't exist anywhere else. Holden was very lucky to have existed for so long. Your comment is typical anti-USA hatred. Like those people who speak ill of Boeing but don't realize that Boeing has never been as safe as it is today.Holden, before becoming part of GM, had never even developed its own models.Everything Holden is, GM built. It's incredible how many lies are told about the USA.Edited by Ciid on Tuesday 28th July 21:52 Actually I do, it cost Holden $1.04 billion to develop the VE Commodore which was very successful.(It was wholly designed & developed here.)Bringing in Daewoo as rebadged Holden s did not help their cause that is fact.It is true that our automotive industry is quite small compared to the rest of the world,Ford went first, the economics did not work for them in the end, but they are still here.Who do you think,developed the Ranger,which has been hugely successful? GM is such a toxic brand in this country. They left everyone high & dry, dealers as well.So please do not try & tell me I don t know what it costs to develop a car.BTW,Ford still have a presence here, with a R& D centre.GM? Absolutely nothing.Just a small presence with those Cadillac, a few specialty imports.Another fact for you, the HQ Holden which was released in 1971 was an entirely new model, developed from the ground up,took three years to develop, it was not based on any other American GM car(fact yet again).Seems you know very little.The Commodore was a good car but it was never successful outside of Oceania. GM even tried to bring it to the US but without success. You can't force the market to buy products.The Ford Ranger is developed by Ford Australia with heavy inputs from Asian, North American, African and European subsidiaries of Ford and besides, it's a product that can be sol